How can Democrats really achieve "Party Unity"?

Obama supporters need to understand that Clinton supporters are NOT going to buy the argument that we are a bunch of racist, unethical, cry babies who have no where else to go, and the, "you lost get over it" argument really doesn't sell either.

I don't honestly think we need to be convinced on the issues. Obama's policies are pretty much identical to Edwards' (who was originally my candidate) and Clinton's - they're democratic party policies. Democrats agree on the issues. Where we differ is on experience and substance. I don't know why we're supposed to think Obama is more than just some snazzy packaging for the Democratic product. I agree with him almost across the board on the issues, though I would have preferred Clinton's and Edwards' health care plans - his makes a good start. What I really need is more substance from Sen. Obama, and less in the grand platitudes department, and I need to have confidence that he's going to surround himself with good people, because after the Bush nightmare, we all know how important that is.

Perhaps when he really goes toe to toe with McCain, someone with whom he disagrees on a lot of the key issues, I'll get the detail I need and will start to have some confidence in him.

But let's be clear, the primary was nothing more than character assassination on BOTH sides, cause Clinton and Obama nearly totally agreed on THE ISSUES. So, this continuing character assassination of Clinton, who the majority of women are proud of and the majority of democrats who bothered to vote, voted for, and of her supporters is so plainly counter productive, it borders on downright stupid.

I never did give a rat's ass who was more likeable or inspiring. I wanted someone highly capable of effectively doing the most important job in the world, at a time when the world desperately needs someone who can succeed in that job. I'm still looking for that person, and if McCain were the McCain of several years ago, I wouldn't hesitate to vote for him over Obama. He was an extremely moderate republican, practically an independent, but he's been Bush's lap dog for the last few years, in order to get his turn at the nomination if you ask me, and he's not preaching what he believes IMO. I don't like that one bit, but then Obama has no real track record to judge by. He continues to strike me as vague in nearly every way.

And then there's the issue of this election. I'm not sure I even want to be a democrat anymore, after the travesty that was perpetrated against voters by the DNC. I think both parties are dumb as dirt and have turned their backs on any principles they ever had. Instead, it's all spin and excuses, and it's been that way for the last 8 yrs. How can the party of "count the votes" expect to pull off a doozy like this and still have an ounce of credibility? “Rules are rules” - yeah, Bush used the phrase "rule of law," when he and the Supreme Court so blatantly abused democracy. Super delegates - hardly anyone even knew there was such a thing till now. Here's a reminder of what the Obama talking heads were saying after Super Tuesday about Super delegates.

Nancy Pelosi:

"She said the governors, lawmakers, DNC members and others picked as super delegates are chosen through a grassroots process and are accountable to the party's voters."

"'I do think that they have a respect -- it's not just following the returns, it's also having a respect for what has been said by the people,' Pelosi said. 'It would be a problem for the party if the verdict would be something different than the public has decided.'"

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/therail/archives/132079.asp


Donna Brazile:

"I think there is a concern when the public speaks and there is a counter-decision made to that," she said, adding quickly, "I don't think that will happen."

"George, my fear is that the Super Delegates will make this decision before the voters in key states to come will decide. I think that there's time. 1,133 delegates outstanding as of last night. There's still time for the pledged delegates to somehow or another sort this out so Super Delegates will not have to make this decision. Look, we don't wear capes. We can't hear the sound of a pin drop miles away. We don't drive bat mobiles. And no one wants to see us in spandex. We should represent the will of the voters of this country and we should not stop this contest prematurely in order to rush the decision."

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/02/a_super_delicate_super_delegat.html

"Said Super-delegate Donna Brazile to CNN, 'If 795 of my colleagues decide this election, I will quit the Democratic Party. I feel very strongly about this.'"

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/the-super-deleg.html

Donna Brazile ALSO said, "With Super Tuesday turning out a draw -- Obama won more states, but Clinton won more delegates -- the superdelegate vote has taken on a practical weight. In previous elections, these votes merely affirmed what had already been determined by the primaries. This year, however, could be for superdelegates what 2000 was for the Electoral College: a chance to decide the presidency. Is that what voters want?"

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/the-super-deleg.html


Barack Obama:

"Obama this week warned Super-delegates to vote the way their states have voted, 'if this contest comes down to super-delegates, we are going to be able to say we have more pledged delegates, which means the Democratic voters have spoken. Those super-delegates, those party insiders would have to think long and hard how they would approach the nomination.' Obama suggested 'the argument we would be making to super-delegates is, if we come into the convention with more pledged delegates then I think we can make a very strong argument that our constituencies have spoken and I think that's going to be pretty important when it comes to the general election.'"

"Does that mean his super-delegates in Massachusetts -- Sens. Kerry and Kennedy, Gov Patrick -- should defect to Clinton?"

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/the-super-deleg.html]

I could go on like this all day, and those who were shouting the loudest about how wrong it would be for super delegates, INCLUDING THOSE ON THE DAMN RULES AND BYLAWS COMMITTEE WHO STOLE VOTES FROM CITIZENS, to decide this election contrary to the will of the people, are now singing a totally different tune. I'm still not only shocked that there IS a group of 30 people who can void millions of people's votes, but that they actually WOULD DO IT, and I'm even more shocked that they're democrats.

I think the Obama wing of the party needs to acknowledge that "rules are rules" isn't a good enough reason for the person who got the most votes not to win and work with us to FIX this f'd up election system. That may breed actual "party unity," and make it more than just a slogan, and further show that we are a party to whom democracy means something, something we're willing to fight for.

Green-Backdrop-Gate!?

What in the world are these "journalists" thinking? This is the silliest, most inane bunch of balderdash I have ever heard of. WE ARE IN TWO WARS! We have natural disasters happening around the world; our economy is in shambles; and the amount of time "journalists" have spent "informing" the public about some stupid, subliminal television marketing backdrop is shameful and insulting.

We have complex and urgent issues facing our country, the world and the next president. Yet, the sheer man hours spent covering this is mystifying! No wonder this country is in such a mess. This is the press we are counting on to be a watchdog and source of information for the self-governed, and this is what we expect of our candidates? Good color choices? Who cares!?! What possible difference in evaluating potential job performance could a color choice possibly make? How could this tell us something about who is fit to be president?

It's just completely tragic!

Thank You Hillary Clinton

Hillary Clinton will forever be the person women will tell their daughters about when they tell them someday THEY could grow up and be president. I was lucky to grow up with 4 brothers and a father who always told me I could be do or be anything any man could. I always have had that belief, but Hillary Clinton proved it was true.

Generations of women thank you Sen. Clinton for standing up, and fighting to remain standing, even after so many demanded you shut up and sit pretty. Women will never have to sit quietly again, because you refused to. We owe you a great debt for your courage and perseverance.



"When you put your hand to the plow, you can't put it down until you get to the end of the row." Alice Paul

"There will never be a new world order until women are a part of it." Alice Paul

Does the idiocy never end?

Man, The Huffinton Post sure has an Oba-chip on it's shoulder - Click HERE.

My gosh! How can people be so savage in their treatment of Clinton and then cry about every little perceived slight to Obama's Holy greatness?

This is getting extremely old. Oba-tards have treated Clinton, who actually got more VOTES, and her supporters like the coming of the anti-Christ. Yet, for reasons that no one can really understand but them, they've hailed Obama as the guy to fix all that ails us. Fine. He's finally managed to get enough super delegates to clinch the nomination. You'd think they could give it a rest. But I honestly don't think they've thought far enough ahead in this to consider the general election and the fact that Obama won't win anything but a blurb in the history books if they don't stop mindlessly trashing someone who never deserved it in the first place.

They're like frat boys pantsing the geeky kid, who's always been smarter and kinder than they were, and yet somehow they think that's what makes them "winners." It's just going to make them notoriously stupid at this rate.

Meeting of the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee re: FL and MI

Well, I'm in the middle of watching this meeting on CSPAN, and so far, there are two things that have jumped out at me:

1) I did not know the reasons behind Michigan's moving up their primary date. That was articulated by Sen. Levin. "No state should have a right to go first and second every election," Levin said. "So, we fought to open up the process." Apparently, after the 2004 election, several states were so upset at this that there was a DNC Rule enacted which would place two states between the Iowa and New Hampshire caucuses; however, New Hampshire BROKE the rules by moving up their primary, so that it would again come second after Iowa, and the DNC Rules committee, astonishingly gave New Hampshire a waiver and allowed them to break the rules with no consequences, while punishing Florida and Michigan in the harshest possible way - stripping them of their votes and right to representation. Amazing; and

2) Donna Brazil's partisanship reared it's ugly head when addressing the former governor of Michigan, Jim Blanchard, as he presented the Clinton Campaign's position regarding Michigan's delegation, by saying her mother taught her to play by "the rules." Really? Even when "the rules" are wrong and undemocratic, and unfairly harshly disadvantage and disenfranchise millions of Americans? It's a good thing the Founders didn't play by King George's "rules." It's a good thing that Rev. King didn't play by "the rules" of segregation, that abolitionists didn't play by "the rules" of slavery, and that women's suffrage activists didn't play by "the rules" that treated women as second class citizens. I can't believe a black woman, of all people would make such statement.

I, for one, will ALWAYS defy "the rules" when they defy the principles of democracy and human dignity.

Sexism Goes Mainstream/Women Mad as Hell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSLiEp5mqzg



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eseoMOEaFnM



http://www.womensvoicesforchange.org...d-as-hell.html

The blatant and continuing attempt to disregard voters by Pelosi and Dean and Dodd and others by demanding super delegates pledge prior to the end of voting, is part of what has me so angry at Democrats. They are willing to throw voters and democracy under the bus, just as the RNC did in 2000, to benefit the candidate they support. ALL Americans should be disgusted by this, and there will be a fall out. A huge one. I don't think Obama CAN win after the continuing position he and have surrogates, including DNC officials, have taken in FL and MI and in trying to squeeze Clinton out in the closest primary in modern history. I won't support a party that doesn't support a citizen's right to have their votes cast and counted. I WON'T.

"No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." Susan B. Anthony

RECOUNT - The HBO Movie

"Rule of law." Man, I forgot how much I hated that phrase, and the way it was bandied about as pure propaganda, with no real meaning whatsoever. Now that we've had eight years of George W. Bush, I think we're all numb and jaded to hearing the Bush Administration's falsely label its sinister plots with patriotic sounding or just plain false names: "Operation Iraqi Freedom," "Patriot Act," "WMD's," "Mushroom Cloud," Medal of Freedom recipient," "White House Office of Faith Based Initiatives," (well actually, shockingly, that name is an accurate label for the Administration's blatant commingling of church and state), "Mission Accomplished," " the United States does not torture" . . .

HBO's Recount brought my bitterly blocked memories of the 2000 Election flooding back, with all it's ugliness, fraud, voter suppression, Republican gamesmanship, spin, and outright disregard for democracy, the law, voters, and the will of the people.

Now, eight years later, we have the devastating hindsight of seeing just what a disaster for this nation, and the world, Bush's coronation by the U.S. Supreme Court really was . . . and it all was foretold so eloquently by that lofty sounding portent, "Rule of law."

So what has changed since then? Nothing at all. Well, except that now democrats are the ones using a similar phrase to cast aside the votes of two states, and wouldn't you know, Florida is one of them. It's deja vu all over again.

I'm glad HBO made this movie, and that the film makers were so thorough in memorializing so many of villains and all of the devices used in Florida to falsify that election. Too often, people base their perceptions of history on a two hour movie - this movie, I felt, accurately represented the events and news coverage of the time, and gave a lot of fascinating insight into the back room political manipulation and maneuvering it took to deny the people's will.

The film was wonderfully made, and the quality actors were spot on, but I wish it were a film that never had to be made. How extremely depressing are those memories and shameful the events that shaped them. As an American, I sharply felt the soul crushing defeat of democracy the election represented, a kick in the stomach of the "self-governed," that we still have not recovered from, nor made any serious effort to prevent from occurring again, and that's the most depressing aspect of it all.

Clinton's RFK Comparison

This has truly gotten assinine and absurd hasn't it? Now Clinton's remark regarding Robert Kennedy's run for presidential nomination is causing such drama. Are people really this ignorant? I guess so.

This trumped up hatred by Obama supporters, including the Obamedia's, however unfounded it may all be, is overriding common sense and human decency. If you're looking for evil - you'll find it alright. I know there's a boatload of spin and excuses ready at a moments notice for that the Godlike creature that is Obama, but people are taking this too freakin' far. It's pretty amazing how supposed democrats have become as big of Clinton haters as Rush Limbaugh and Ken Starr ever were.

So, for those who aren't students of history, merely the Obamedia's version thereof:

On June 4, 1968, Kennedy scored a major victory when he won the California primary. He addressed his supporters in the early morning hours of June 5, 1968 in a ballroom at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy

THAT's what she was talking about. RFK had JUST won California primary the when he was killed IN JUNE. I knew that when I heard her say it. Funny, how no one's bothering to point that little factoid out, but it's more beneficial for the Clinton-haters to spin it into something nefarious.

And then there's this:

RFK Jr. Says No One Should Be Offended
May 23, 2008 10:23 PM

This evening Robert Kennedy Jr., who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., cautioned folks not to be offended at Clinton's mention of his father's assassination when discussing why she was staying in the race and how there was precedent for the primaries lasting until June.

In a statement, Kennedy Jr. said: “It is clear from the context that Hillary was invoking a familiar political circumstance in order to support her decision to stay in the race through June. I have heard her make this reference before, also citing her husband's 1992 race, both of which were hard fought through June. I understand how highly charged the atmosphere is, but I think it is a mistake for people to take offense.”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/rfk-jr-says-no.html#comments

You know, the malice has reached such levels that I actually saw a discussion about how Clinton supporters should leave the party. Really? Obama doesn't need us? Okay, but we were here first ya know.

Obama supporters have built up so much fake hatred for Clinton it's a little frightening really. They keep saying she'll do anything to win, but then I watch them spit all over democracy by advocating disenfranchizing millions of people who may not vote the way they want them to and try to strong arm a candidate and stop her from running, because she's getting too many votes, nearly 50% and still winning states by large margins, doesn't sound like the country I believed in. It may well all unravel under the weight of all this polarization.

I don't know what the Obama faction of the Democratic party stands for, hating Clinton I guess, but they scare me. They sound like the Bush Admin. demonizing Muslims and spinning reality to feed it to the masses. For every stupid gaffe Clinton has made, that's been amplified beyond belief, I can name one, maybe two, Obama has made. It's the nature of talking 24/7 on camera. People are going to state things inartfully, but there's no fairness or understanding for her. No sir. Just vitriolic blind, irrational hatred, and it's highly offensive to half the voters in the party. It's going to lose us this election we had in the bag.

You'd think that they would follow Obama's lead and start some phony pandering to heal the divide - but nope. They just can't help themselves. They demand respect, but give none in return. I'm utterly disgusted and disillusioned.